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([personal profile] gothwalk Nov. 17th, 2003 10:52 am)
About the Bush UK visit:

Mr Bush will also be protected by hundreds of armed guards from the US... They will not be granted diplomatic immunity, and will face courts if they shoot anybody, the Home Office has promised.

The fact that the Home Office had to make any such assurance, even the possibility that they might shoot someone, is wholly fucking ridiculous, no? Bush is entering the UK with a small bloody invasion force. You'd think the tens of thousands of people preparing to attend protests would send a "You're not welcome" message...

From: [identity profile] goblin-ballista.livejournal.com


I have to admit that that would be morbidly amusing as I believe under US law and also as public oppinion would demand it, the US would be forced to invade the UK to retrive any ferderal officer held in custody.

-F

From: [identity profile] mr-wombat.livejournal.com


if history is anything to go on they'll just insist on trying the offender in a US court with a US judge and find him innocent.
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From: [identity profile] gothwalk.livejournal.com


I'm sure the UK can claim that they're "enemy combatants", or whatever the nonsense label the US has put on the people in Guantanamo Bay is...

From: [identity profile] sciamachy.livejournal.com


"Illegal non-combatants" according to the good Mr Bush. ;-)

From: [identity profile] mr-wombat.livejournal.com


Well, there was that incident in korea last year where two soldiers ran over some children, killing them ( I believe there was some controversy as to their sobriety - or something that put them even more at fault) and the US thumbed its nose at korean law.
So if IF something similar happened in the UK it would naturally be a PR nightmare but more to the point, I would be surprised, nay utterly STUNNED if the soldiers weren't released for trial in the US. That said of course, the UK is America's only real ally in the Iraq mess and probably need to keep them sweet but I wouldn't expect that the US would see the UK as anything more than someone to justify the war (see recent steel tariffs that are bollocking the UK steel industry).

From: [identity profile] sciamachy.livejournal.com


I wonder why El Presidente has no confidence in the ability of Special Branch and the SAS to protect diplomats, and must insist on having his own people there? I mean, the SAS are regularly sent over to the US to teach them how to rescue hostages...

And given that it's currently illegal for a civilian in the UK to posess a firearm, and that these guys aren't British citizens, nor are they members of our police and armed forces, what gives them the right to bear arms in our country anyway?

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given that it's currently illegal for a civilian in the UK to posess a firearm

Not strictly true...

these guys aren't British citizens, nor are they members of our police and armed forces, what gives them the right to bear arms in our country anyway?

1968 Firearms Act, I believe; any Chief Constable can issue a temporary vistor's permit. However, it appears to be a murky area. Some countries (eg Australia) ban foreign bodyguards' firearms completely, some (eg Canada) tell them that they can't bring firearms in, but diplomatically not actually search them, others have been known to swear them in temporarily as local police.

From: [identity profile] iresprite.livejournal.com


Me? I'm waiting for Bush to annex you guys once he lands.

Which would suck, because then even running away to Ireland would mean I couldn't get away from my country if I had to. ;)
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From: [identity profile] gothwalk.livejournal.com


He ain't coming here, just the UK. Thankfully, cos otherwise I might have to get myself arrested for trying to throw eggs at him.
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From: [identity profile] gothwalk.livejournal.com


These colonials. Barking mad, I tell you. Where's my elephant gun?

From: [identity profile] iresprite.livejournal.com


Ah. I got the impression, from the discussion, that he'd be passing through Ireland as well.

Not that the people of the UK are any more sympathetic towards him than the Irish. *shrugs*

From: [identity profile] straif.livejournal.com


Nah, if it were an invasion force, we'd have softened the target with some cruise missiles and maybe a daisy cutter or two.

From: [identity profile] silme.livejournal.com


And there will be 14,000 British cops on duty. Oy.
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