Dude! I thought that genuine UKers looked down on the silly Americans want to play Saxon knights. Glad that prejudice seems to have eased (okay, this was like fifteen years ago). Are you interested in swordplay or costuming or just the whole shebang?
No, seriously, I know there's Northern Ireland and then there's The Republic of Ireland, and Northern is where all the strife is, and that's the part still under control of the British government.. and therefore still part of the UK? And yall are in the Republic of Ireland, right?
Is there an (acceptable) term still for "People who inhabit all of the various countries on that cluster of islands off the coast of France from the Orkneys to the Cliffs of Dover and all points west" ?
And in closing, I offer one of my favorite movie quotes:
"The Irish are the blacks of England. And Dubliners are the blacks of Ireland. And west Dubliners are the blacks of Dublin. So say it with me: I'm black and I'm proud!"
I propose "podean," on the model of "antipodean," which is what gets used for someone when you're not sure whether they're from Australia or New Zealand.
"The Irish are the blacks of England. And Dubliners are the blacks of Ireland. And west Dubliners are the blacks of Dublin. So say it with me: I'm black and I'm proud!"
Not west Dublin - NORTHSIDERS! :-P
Officially, there is "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" and "The Republic of Ireland". "British" can be used to describe anyone from the UK (though it might get you a dirty look, depending on who you're talking to, if you use it in Scotland or Wales and it would have a 50/50 chance of ingratiating you with or alienating you from someone from NI). I seem to recall a Vampire sourcebook spending about a page outlining all the differences quite accurately :-)
I can't think of a single term to describe "People who inhabit all of the various countries on that cluster of islands off the coast of France from the Orkneys to the Cliffs of Dover and all points west", though...
Shite and bugger-all, but I knew I was going to misremember that quote! LOL
I knew about the wales-and-scotland thing. Kind of like using Yank to refer to any US citizen. I'm from the deep south (Louisiana) and in many parts of the U.S. South, Yank means Yankee means fought on the wrong (ie, winning) side in the Civil War, means carpetbagger means Reconstruction means horrible insult to you and your forebearers. Didja get all that?
Technically all the islands west of the European Mainland are the British Isles (even if the Irish don't like it) but it is only a geographic term. Used to get me in all sorts of trouble in school in the UK when I would know the correct answer to 'The most western County of the British Isles' and the rest, including the teacher, didn't (The answer is Kerry, not as most put the Western Hebredies). Mind you, that particular geography teacher was useless, we had an ongoing battle as to the amount of states in the US (I said 50 and he said 52, and he wasn't including Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands.) Finally I wrote them down (from memory) and challenged him to find 2 more...he didn't.
Anyway, I digress. I found myself using Western Europe or Western European to denote people from the British Isles, when I was in the States, as we all hung out together and it was easier to give us all one designation. At least people over there had learned the difference between British and Irish, although one person made an enemy for life of a Welsh (and rather militant about it), friend of mine by insisting he was English and couldn't be used as an item in the Scavenger Hunt (the Item was 2 non-English, Dutch or Australian Counsellors - yes, I was working on a Camp). Since then I have always looked on the British isles as Western Europe, the western mainland as Central Europe (from CET - Central European Time), Scandinavia, Russia and the former USSR countries in Western USSR (latia, Estonia etc.) as Northern Europe and such places as Poland, Czech & Slovak Republics, the Balkan States etc. as Eastern Europe. This, incidently, is just my opinion and what I have found as easy enough designations.
hehe, Western Europe includes France as well as the British Isles. Central Europe = Benelux, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Czech republik, Slovakia, Poland. You want the rest as well?
Who says France is part of Western Europe? I said that *I* find it easier to put all the western mainland of Europe (i.e France, Germany, Austria, Spain, Portugal, Benelux, Switzerland, Monaco, Andorra, San Marino, Lichenstein, Italy & the VC) as Central Europe, with the name coming from the Time Zone; Central European Time, which all of them except Portugal observes, and anything that was traditionally eastern Europe (i.e. Poland, Czech & Slovak Republics, Hungary, Former Yugoslavian States, Albania, Romania, Bulgaria, Moldovia, Greece & The Ukraine), along with Italy & the VC as Eastern Europe (although most of them observe CET rather than EET). The other European countries mention *I* consider Northern Europe (i.e Denmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia & Belarus) Note that my visualization does not nessessarily (I can never spell that) follow a straight North-South line.
Who says France is part of Western Europe? I said that *I* find it easier to put all the western mainland of Europe (i.e France, Germany, Austria, Spain, Portugal, Benelux, Switzerland, Monaco, Andorra, San Marino, Lichenstein, Italy & the VC) as Central Europe, with the name coming from the Time Zone; Central European Time, which all of them except Portugal observes, and anything that was traditionally eastern Europe (i.e. Poland, Czech & Slovak Republics, Hungary, Former Yugoslavian States, Albania, Romania, Bulgaria, Moldovia, Greece & The Ukraine), along with Italy & the VC as Eastern Europe (although most of them observe CET rather than EET). The other European countries mention *I* consider Northern Europe (i.e Denmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia & Belarus) Note that my visualization does not nessessarily (I can never spell that) follow a straight North-South line.
The quote from the movie "The Commitments" is actually "the Irish are the blacks of Europe, and Dubs are the blacks of Ireland, and NORTHSIDE Dubs are the blacks of Dublin. So say it once, and say it proud, I'm black and I'm proud!"
Provided by your friendly "NORTHSIDER", I know the areas where the movie were shot well, and most of the areas used are north of the Liffey!(AND THEY ARE THAT GLUM & GRAY!)
The whole thing. Swordplay being the main one right now.
I think the folks you got the looking down on thing from may have been re-enactors from other groups, who seem to think that the SCA is inauthentic, unfocussed and a bit silly.
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Not to mention that it would quickly become too expensive.
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b) that entirely depends. one can do it on rather a low budget - after all it is a notorious student's pasttime.
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b) Yeah, but I had more money when I was a student! =)
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I only do weekend events, and nothing's near us. :) Let me check out your nearest groups.
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No, seriously, I know there's Northern Ireland and then there's The Republic of Ireland, and Northern is where all the strife is, and that's the part still under control of the British government.. and therefore still part of the UK? And yall are in the Republic of Ireland, right?
Is there an (acceptable) term still for "People who inhabit all of the various countries on that cluster of islands off the coast of France from the Orkneys to the Cliffs of Dover and all points west" ?
And in closing, I offer one of my favorite movie quotes:
"The Irish are the blacks of England. And Dubliners are the blacks of Ireland. And west Dubliners are the blacks of Dublin. So say it with me: I'm black and I'm proud!"
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Not west Dublin - NORTHSIDERS! :-P
Officially, there is "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" and "The Republic of Ireland". "British" can be used to describe anyone from the UK (though it might get you a dirty look, depending on who you're talking to, if you use it in Scotland or Wales and it would have a 50/50 chance of ingratiating you with or alienating you from someone from NI). I seem to recall a Vampire sourcebook spending about a page outlining all the differences quite accurately :-)
I can't think of a single term to describe "People who inhabit all of the various countries on that cluster of islands off the coast of France from the Orkneys to the Cliffs of Dover and all points west", though...
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I knew about the wales-and-scotland thing. Kind of like using Yank to refer to any US citizen. I'm from the deep south (Louisiana) and in many parts of the U.S. South, Yank means Yankee means fought on the wrong (ie, winning) side in the Civil War, means carpetbagger means Reconstruction means horrible insult to you and your forebearers. Didja get all that?
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Anyway, I digress. I found myself using Western Europe or Western European to denote people from the British Isles, when I was in the States, as we all hung out together and it was easier to give us all one designation. At least people over there had learned the difference between British and Irish, although one person made an enemy for life of a Welsh (and rather militant about it), friend of mine by insisting he was English and couldn't be used as an item in the Scavenger Hunt (the Item was 2 non-English, Dutch or Australian Counsellors - yes, I was working on a Camp). Since then I have always looked on the British isles as Western Europe, the western mainland as Central Europe (from CET - Central European Time), Scandinavia, Russia and the former USSR countries in Western USSR (latia, Estonia etc.) as Northern Europe and such places as Poland, Czech & Slovak Republics, the Balkan States etc. as Eastern Europe. This, incidently, is just my opinion and what I have found as easy enough designations.
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"the Irish are the blacks of Europe, and Dubs are the blacks of Ireland, and NORTHSIDE Dubs are the blacks of Dublin. So say it once, and say it proud, I'm black and I'm proud!"
Provided by your friendly "NORTHSIDER", I know the areas where the movie were shot well, and most of the areas used are north of the Liffey!(AND THEY ARE THAT GLUM & GRAY!)
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I think the folks you got the looking down on thing from may have been re-enactors from other groups, who seem to think that the SCA is inauthentic, unfocussed and a bit silly.
*shrugs* Their problem. :)
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(I've been a member for 25 years. ;)
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